A little Airbus versus Boeing Konflikt

[mhl]

Hi, first of all, you have all my thanks for this amazing Mod. I have been playing it for nearly a year or so, and i am just stunned by all the details, as well as the perfection in which it all blends together. For a game with files as hardly tweakable as SR is, you did beyond possible.

Just a little something that has kept bothering me for quite some time now (it wasn't an issue until now): the carrying capacity of the A400M Airlifter is a bit problematic. It has only a cargo of 444, which in comparison with other similar transport planes, for example the A 310-300 (cargo cap. 924), is ridiculous.
In real life, the A400M has a carrying capacity of 37t (http://www.airbusmilitary.com/Aircraft/A400M/A400MAbout.aspx), while the A310-300 has a cc of 33t (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-310_Airbus#Specifications).

I do not know how the cc is being calculated in game. Perhaps I am also mistaken, and the cargo of the A400M is proportionate, idk. The only thing that is bothering me is that the A400m was conceived to be able to transport at least a Puma or a Warrior or a Patria AMV. Even if I split one of those units ingame, they still weight at least 900, which is far to much for the Airlifter.
It would only be nice if i could transport my european units with a european plane. Of course, a higher cc for the A400M would also need that the Boeing 747-400 would need a higher cc as well, for its real life capacity exceeds 110 tons and ingame it has a cc of 1404.

(Playing as Germany, I do not like to rely on american planes to transport meine stolzen Soldaten. Especially when at war with the US )

Another thing, Germany can build the KC-30 A.330 right form the start, while France is stuck with the old A310 MRTT. The KC-30 A.330 has only been ordered by the Australian, the British, UAE and Saudi Arabia so far. So either Germany should lose its A.300 or France should get it as well (it is weird for the Airbus nation not to have the latest model).

Last thing, is it normal that the american KC-707-3J9C Tanker has 0 cc ? I know it is an obsolete Airplane but still, it is perhaps my OCD speaking, if find it disturbing that a Tanker can't transport anything.

So I have been bothering you for quite a while now ;D.
I take my leave Gentlemen

[Fistalis]

Getting ready for work so I wont go over it point by point right this minute. I just wanted to quickly point out that carrying capacity is for the whole squad.

IE its CC * # of units in a squadron.

Weight is the same its weight * # of units in a group. Thats not 1 tank or 1 puma but a whole squad.

I'll dig into the post and go through the files to double check that the stats are correct at a later time this is just a quick explanation of how the game figures out such stats.

[Fistalis]

Okay now that I have time to go through this Responses in Yellow

Mar 31, 2013 14:11:45 GMT -6 mhl said:

Hi, first of all, you have all my thanks for this amazing Mod. I have been playing it for nearly a year or so, and i am just stunned by all the details, as well as the perfection in which it all blends together. For a game with files as hardly tweakable as SR is, you did beyond possible.
Thank you. I've put more work than I care to admit into the mod and continue to work on it.But BG gave me a solid foundation with mostly right OOBs From SR2020.

Just a little something that has kept bothering me for quite some time now (it wasn't an issue until now): the carrying capacity of the A400M Airlifter is a bit problematic. It has only a cargo of 444, which in comparison with other similar transport planes, for example the A 310-300 (cargo cap. 924), is ridiculous.
In real life, the A400M has a carrying capacity of 37t (http://www.airbusmilitary.com/Aircraft/A400M/A400MAbout.aspx), while the A310-300 has a cc of 33t (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-310_Airbus#Specifications).
A sqaud of A400Ms is 12. 12 planes * 37 tons = CC of 444 Result A400M is correct

A310 300 squad is 12. 12 *33 tons = 396 so this looks like problemNoted for fix



I do not know how the cc is being calculated in game. Perhaps I am also mistaken, and the cargo of the A400M is proportionate, idk. The only thing that is bothering me is that the A400m was conceived to be able to transport at least a Puma or a Warrior or a Patria AMV. Even if I split one of those units ingame, they still weight at least 900, which is far to much for the Airlifter.
It would only be nice if i could transport my european units with a european plane. Of course, a higher cc for the A400M would also need that the Boeing 747-400 would need a higher cc as well, for its real life capacity exceeds 110 tons and ingame it has a cc of 1404.
See the above post for how weight/CC is if figured. You have to remember that Infantry squads are pretty large (the Puma Unit is actually 54 pumas) We can do the math if you want but when you split them its now 27 pumas which is still likely to be over the the A400 can carry since like you said it can carry 1 puma.. 12 would be the max it could carry its too bad the game doesn't allow you to continue to split units

(Playing as Germany, I do not like to rely on american planes to transport meine stolzen Soldaten. Especially when at war with the US )

Another thing, Germany can build the KC-30 A.330 right form the start, while France is stuck with the old A310 MRTT. The KC-30 A.330 has only been ordered by the Australian, the British, UAE and Saudi Arabia so far. So either Germany should lose its A.300 or France should get it as well (it is weird for the Airbus nation not to have the latest model).
Noted for further research/fix

Last thing, is it normal that the american KC-707-3J9C Tanker has 0 cc ? I know it is an obsolete Airplane but still, it is perhaps my OCD speaking, if find it disturbing that a Tanker can't transport anything.
Air Tankers carry fuel. Thats all it can carry, the fuel is directly transfered from its tanks to the Planes, its how mid air refeuling works in this game
So I have been bothering you for quite a while now ;D.
I take my leave Gentlemen

Hope this cleared some things up for you, Feel free to post anytime.

[mhl]

Thanks for explaining how the cc works. I guess it is too bad then for the A400. Yeah i knew that a unit ingame was more than 1 unit in rl, i was just trying to lobby the a400 for practical reason ;D. It it just really getting on my nerves to get all my troops across the wet way, especially when facing a stronger naval opponent.

As for the Tanker, i had always thought that the fuel they gave midair came from their cargo, like supply trucks or ships. My bad, i should have checked it up before.

For the A 310 300, i will check it up again, but i still cant figure out why it was 924 cc originally. Perhaps to balance the Boeing, as no european nation have a decent transport plane without it.
Was it already part of SR 2020 or Cold war, or did you add it later?

I will continue doing checks on european military units to add or modify, as it is kinda my forte right now. If i can in any way help you, please ask.

[Fistalis]

Apr 1, 2013 12:46:39 GMT -6 mhl said:

For the A 310 300, i will check it up again, but i still cant figure out why it was 924 cc originally. Perhaps to balance the Boeing, as no european nation have a decent transport plane without it.
Was it already part of SR 2020 or Cold war, or did you add it later?

It was part of both actually... the stats were likely entered for SR2010 although it could have been 2020. Either way it was in the default coldwar files. You would have to ask BG why its set that way. (I'll be fixing it in the modern world though)

[Fistalis]

Just a little update on this little issue. In the name of "balance" I'll simply be making the A400 larger squadrons allowing them a higher capacity. This will increase build costs/time but will make their use much more practical for gameplay.