Unit designs to add

[number47]

This thread could serve as a suggestion thread for new unit designs that currently don't exist in the mod so we don't keep opening new threads for every new suggestion?

[number47]

I suggest adding two following units:

"S-10CRO A1" (design should be already buildable for Croatia) and "S-10CRO A2" (design should be researchable as a continuation of A1)
Essentialy, these are Croatian made SA-13 AA missile systems but on different mount than original. The A1 is mounted on a already existing in game LOV vehicle (UnitID 509) and A2 is supposedly going to be mounted on new Patria AMV (UnitID 682) vehicles.
So, all you have to do is take SA-13 and change stats for the "mount" and the missile stats stay the same.
I know you don't like to do this but if you are lazy you could just check/copy these (red needs to be changed ):
ID number,S-10CRO A1,5,72,94,,,0,1,5,40,,regioncode,20,3,,,,,90,0,10,,289,1534,0,65,0,8,,,7,5,,,700,,1,07,8,2,2,2,0,72,0,0,0,0,4,14,21,16,6,1,6,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,-1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,-1,-1,-1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,,0,,0,,,,,,,,,,0,,,,2,,25,1,19,0,1,2,3,4
ID number,S-10CRO A2,5,181,112,,,1,1,5,40,,regioncode,20,3,,,,,120,0,10,,289,133,0,75,2,4,,,23,6,,,1100,,2,75,8,2,8,2,0,72,0,0,0,0,10,25,29,22,11,1,6,0,0,0,0,0,0,-1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,-1,0,0,0,0,0,-1,0,0,0,0,0,0,-1,-1,-1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,,0,,0,,,,,,,,,,0,,,,2,,25,1,18,0,1,2,3,4

EDIT: corrected battalion size to 20...

[number47]

I'll repost some of the suggestions from other people from one other thread as they might get burried...

I added my comments in the brackets

Chengdu J-20 J-12 is now J-20 stat changes to follow as needed (Fistalis should check if existing J-12 actually represents J-20)
Shenyang F-31 (still in development under various names J-31, F-60, J-21, etc.)
Su-47 Berkut (technology demonstrator, not sure should it be added since it was never intended to be armed)
Type 52D destroyer (still under construction so some of the equipment is still unknown to the masses but could be "guessed")
Type 95 SSN (still in development)
Type 96 SSBN "Tang" class (still in development)
Type 97 "Qin" class SSN (still in development)
T-90MS added T-90M since the MS is primarily an export variant for now the M will be a stand in for both (definitely should be added as it absence seriously hinders Russia's military power)

Edited by Fistalis to note work done.

[SoB]

RG41(non sold but finished development)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RG41

iklwa (still in proto type stage but pretty much done)
www.army-guide.com/eng/product3575.html

mbombe(non sold but finished development)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbombe

AHRLAC(non sold but finished development)

some point for SA orbit

Can you remove the Ratel 23 and replace it with the rooikat 35mm AAD non where built but unlike the Ratel 23 it is real and the gun is the same one on the Valour FSGs
picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/LIk45pbqichJR3i9N3N-Hg

there is all so a rooikat with a singel 20mm gun and AGMs
www.army-guide.com/eng/product2110.html

not to mention a Rooikat SAM system.
(i can find no info on it other than it was a crotal with a new seeker head based on the Dater serries of IR AAMs and that the SAMs used on the Valour FSGs are based on it.)


And yes this all South African Gear

[sob]

Mupsow Cruise Missile and Torgos Cruise Missile
(no knowledge how far they are in development)
www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/weapons/54/mupsow-cruise-missile

www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/weapons/61/torgos-cruise-missile


Umbani guided bomb

www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/weapons/99/umbani

[doctornuke]

Since even more Iranian units have been released (see PressTV for information on them) into realisation recently, whilst China as well as Russia has been developing several new units I find the need to mention them here to be added if possible:

Zolfiqar-3 Main Battle Tank: It is now officially in Iranian military, there might be around 100 of them in service thus far whilst numerous military enthusiasts throughout the Internet that I have encountered thus far have compared it to the M1A1 Abrams in some characteristics they both shared in common. There is further speculation it has advanced composite armour.


Qaher-313 Stealth Multi-Role Fighter: An official confirmation is that the Iranian air force shall perhaps release it completely later this year, or perhaps by 2014. I shall continue giving further details of its progress as it goes.

MBT-3000: This marvellous 3.5th generation main battle tank from China could be the best one out there as of yet. This conceptualisation could furthermore be completely on par, if not superior to, most of our Western tanks. Specifications have already been released. Moreover it is superior to the Type 99A2, for certain.

Shenyang J-31: It is possible that the Chinese government might proceed with a second stealth fighter programme besides the Chengdu J-20, moreover if they do it shall be ready for serial production later, whilst technical data shall also be released.

Sukhoi PAK DA: Russia has made it official of its intentions to build a stealthy strategic bomber


There of course a number of new drones, missiles, as well as other developments from within Iran, whilst on a separate note the T-90MS is confirmed to be ready.

Edit: Moreover today I have also come to the realisation that from news, Russia is deploying surface-to-air missile battalions as well as fighter aircraft groups into Belarus to protect its aerospace, thenceforth this too should be added.


Moreover I noticed a bug concerning Ukraine. Due to the transit treaty with Russia, it allows them to invade Belarus unimpeded in EVERY scenario I attempt moreover this is becoming quite a red herring if you know what I am saying....

Edit by Fistalis: Moved to a unified New unit thread.

[Fistalis]

Not sure how this thread eluded me, Noted for Future update

[number47]

May 14, 2013 21:19:18 GMT -6 Fistalis said:

Not sure how this thread eluded me, Noted for Future update

I was wondering the same thing. At first when it became apparent that you are "ignoring" this thread I just though it was by choice not by accident ;D

[cdiplayer]

I would also like to recommend adding more generic fictional units that any country can research and then build. For example adding a generic stealth fighter, stealth bomber, cruisers, tanks, etc.

[Fistalis]

killerapps.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/05/10/does_china_have_a_stealth_drone

[cbcchris]

I have a lot.of ideas, how about adding the t-72s models of irak, india, iran, bielorussia, and an option for poor contries the updated t-55, that russia made, they say that it can face modern tanks and they cost just a bit, i think north corea should have they design of mbt aviable instead of the t-62, they made by themselfs a tank that is like a t-80.

[number47]

Should add IRIS-T SLS and IRIS-T SL AA systems designs to Germany

[dax1]

I have found that:

CVS302 HOPLITE
www.mbda-systems.com/mediagallery/#/videos/3083

[whitehead]

M1A3 could be added. Would make it the most deadliest tank in the world, although the M1A2 already has that covered. And don't add the su-47. The plane was a demonstrator not a legitimate combat aircraft. Chinese stealth aircraft should be weakened if placed in game when compared to the f-22 but given a cheaper maintenance and initial cost than the raptor.

[Fistalis]

Feb 25, 2013 3:43:52 GMT -6 number47 said:

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I know you don't like to do this but if you are lazy you could just check/copy these

I actually dont mind as long as you include sound reasoning for the stats. I would actually appreciate the help, what I want to avoid is someone just jacking up stats and saying here put this in which leaves me to go through all the stats myself and figure out what they should actually be, which at that point I may as well research the whole unit/stats myself.

The easiest way to provide me with justifications of stats is to point out a unit in game that has similar equipment, that is to say if there is a tank in game that uses the exact same main gun then its pretty certain that unless there is a major difference in ammo used that those 2 tanks should have similar hard attack. etc.

For example.. many modern tanks use the Rheinmetall 120 mm gun so the hard attack on these should me similar but not exact due to different munitions used(a point or 2 here or there depending on the actual munitions most commonly fielded by the particular tank).

The fact that many modular parts are used in different designs make it easy to keep the proper "balance" while adding these new units. Given the amount of requests for new units if anyone wants to come up with the unit entry with a basic breakdown of why X stat is X stat then I would be happy to simply copy paste. With or without debate depending on the circumstances of the reasoning.